we think government should be smaller. but at times when the private sector has seized up and there is no demand, it is quite right for government to step in on to that breach. >> so your assertion is if this election was about the economy, romney would win. if it's not about the economy, what is this election swinging on? >> the economy is the driving issue here. the election hinges on lots of factors. turnout in key swing states will matter. what we know about the race right now is that it is incredibly close. on issues related to who do you think performs better on the economy, mitt romney has the edge. so issues of who do you like better, who do you think is more popular, president obama wins. and sometimes particularly among swing voters, those people who make their decisions very late in the process, they tend on to make a gut level reaction about who do i like more, who do i trust more. and so on that issue, the president wins. so this is an incredibly close election. you also have the dynamic of the unfortunate tra